Is Same-Sex Marriage A Good Idea?

Notice to the Reader: This is a transcript of an interview with Rev. Dr. P.C. Akubueze. We are aware that the topic of same sex marriage is a controversial one that deeply affects the personal lives of many. We, as Christians, strongly reiterate the teaching of the Bible to "Love your neighbor as yourself " (Matthew 22:39; John 13:34).  And that all people, irrespective of their religions, sexual orientations, skin colors and genders, must be treated with respect and dignity, with love and compassion. The publication of any interview concerning this subject is solely intended to enhance and to clarify the position of the Bible as concerns relational, family and social foundations of society. It's never intended to incite hatred of any kind toward homosexuals.




 It can be a good idea, some say, yet not a God idea since we don't worship the same God. But is it really a good idea? I am Verra for Ammgospel and with me is the man of God Dr. P.C. Akubueze. Welcome to the talk show.




 ASP: Pastor, the subject of same sex marriage has been our focus for some time now and we heartily appreciate your contributions so far. Words cannot express the gladness in our hearts for having you here with us. We truly appreciate your presence and together with our viewers and readers, would like to hear more from you as long as you are willing to share.


P.C. AKUBUEZE: Oh! Sure! why not? I am willing, so willing to serve the Lord's people. For me it's a pleasure indeed being here. Thank you.


ASP: The idea of Same Sex Marriage, as being Good, has been the heart of heated debates in some parts of the world and still puzzles the minds of some Christians daily. What do you say about that?


 P.C. AKUBUEZE:   May I start by saying that nothing creates itself and determines its own purpose. Every being comes into existence to fulfill a purpose given to it by its creator.


 Only the manufacturer of---let's say-- a thing, knows the reason for its existence, the purpose for which it was made to serve. He can tell you why it was made, and the conditions favorable for its use or purpose. Therefore, if you would want to know the purpose of something created, it would be wise to consult the manufacturer. If you would want to know the conditions good or favorable to the proper functioning of whatever is created, it would be a good idea to consult its manufacturer. Because, you cannot get these informations by consulting the created article itself.


ASP:  Pastor, according to what you've just said, take for instance one buys an article, should one go find the manufacturer of that article in order to make use of it? In order to know it's purpose?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: Well! Yeah that's right! It's important to consult the manufacturer if you have his article at your disposal and would want to use it better. But you don't go running behind the manufacturer. You might never see him or know him physically. However, there is a standard way of doing so by consulting the book, called manual, which the manufacturer has provided with the article. That book carries all vital information to know about the purpose for the article.


ASP: Oh! I see, It's not literally then?


 P.C. AKUBUEZE: You got my point. So trying to get these information by questioning the article would be wrong, even if the article could speak. It couldn't know what was on its creator's mind independent of its creator. Any information gotten by just studying the article itself in order to know its purpose might be faulty or incomplete.


The same is true with human beings as created beings. We all believe that man is a created being. His creator is God, the Bible says (Genesis 1v27). Therefore, it's not for humans to decide what is good for them without the intentions of their creator. Regarding same sex marriage as being good or not, you have to know the mind of the creator of the sexes involved in such unions. It's not about a debate cos, man, independent of God, cannot provide the true answer to that question.


 To know if same sex marriage is a good idea, you have to know the purpose that male and female were created to serve. But not by studying or asking them rather by studying, asking, or knowing their creator's intent for creating them. And to do so, you need to have the book or manual that their creator had provided for man generally. And God's manual or book to man is the Holy Bible which carries the kind of information we need to know about ourselves, our existence and actions. It's from the Holy Bible we should seek to know what is or isn't good for man and not from the created man himself. Sorry, this isn't about a debate subject to man. For man, independent of God, cannot provide a true answer to that question.


To this, the Bible rightly says that a man's life is not his own, therefore, it's not for man to direct his steps (Jeremiah 10:23).  This is so true, of course. For how can a man direct his path if his own life isn't in his hands? How can a man debate about same sex marriage independent of God if his life is not his own? It doesn't make sense, does it? It would be a mistake to ask a created thing the purpose for its existence. Ask but the creator.


ASP: How would that be a mistake, considering the facts that man can talk and communicate, he can reason and make logical decisions?  Could he not somehow know what is good for him?



 P.C. AKUBUEZE: Man is an intelligent creature and-----well, I agree with you that man can reason, can talk and communicate. But he's still a created being. You see, it's not a matter of somehow coming up with what is good for him or not. For the man cannot somehow come up with answer to same sex marriage as being good for him by virtue of his reasoning and communication skills.  He at all times remains a created being and as such, he is incapable of knowing what is good for his necessary existence independent of his creator. Simply because that truth is not in him at all. Although he can reason and talk as long as you want him to, his mission statement, if I could use that phrase, would be faulty if he ignores the mission statement of his creator.


ASP: There are many debates going on around the globe concerning same sex marriage. And in many nations, the governments, politicians and law makers are still debating to come out with a conclusion they see good for the society. Don't you think debating on such a controversial subject might work?


P.C. AKUBUEZE:  I am aware, very aware of course, of nation's law makers debating on the subject. But are they debating because the subject is a controversial one or because they want what is good for the people?-----Ooh! I pray that God should help our law makers around the world come to the truth of what's correct for the society. Anyway, you know, debating, or coming to a conclusion of the majority does not make the point right or morally correct independent of our creator's reason for creation. Those people for whom the debate is meant to serve and those debating are all humans, and creatures of God and as such, incapable, by virtue of their nature, of knowing the truth independent of God.

 

If you would ask man why he is on earth, for what reason he was given life, you  won't get the right answer from him.  Oh yes, there may be an answer but not the right answer. There may be a debate, yet a distorted one, I say. Any information that exempts God's intentions for man would be misleading, faulty, distorted or/and incomplete. You cannot ask man what is good for his necessary existence if he ignores the "reasons" of his creator, the reason for his being. Only the creator is best positioned to tell man what is good for man. Man, being created by God (Genesis 1:27), can know if same sex marriage is a good idea only if he consults his God to know what God's idea was during creation and so from God's manual to man--the Holy Bible.


ASP: Dr. Akubueze, to your own mind, without any external influence, what's your idea about same sex marriage ? Do you say it's Good?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: Can I know what you meant by external influence? Because I have some established external influence to my mind and I love it that way. But let me know exactly what you meant by "External influence"?


ASP: I meant, having something or somebody with whom you consult and consider before taking your position on same sex marriage?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: I see! Well, like I said, I do have a permitted and willfully allowed channel of influence to my mind and behind that influence stands my position as regards same sex marriage. My external influence is not a person nor a system but the Holy Bible, the Word of God. There you have the mind of Christ (2 Corinthians 2v16), which I constantly study daily to renew my mind with its contents (Romans 12v2). The Word of God is the only external influence that I willingly accept to influence my mind about all things, and especially, about same sex marriage. To be very clear, my idea is the idea of God that same sex marriage is not a good idea and that's what the Bible tells us.


ASP: Many people say it's not written in the Bible. Truly, Is it written in the Bible that same sex marriage isn't a good idea?


P.C. AKUBUEZE:  You see, those who say it isn't in the Bible are ignorant of God's Word, and of God's intents. Those who say so have they forgotten Leviticus 20:13 in which God says " If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death"? That's talking about homosexuals. Should such a death sentence be passed unto an adherent of a good idea? And please, don't say that was the old testament because the New testament hasn't changed a thing about the intent of God concerning homosexuals.


More over, there are several places I could show you in the Bible that same sex marriage is not a good idea either from God's lips directly or from His reaction toward it.


ASP: Please, Go ahead Pastor.


P.C. AKUBUEZE: Number One,  It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it unnatural.

The only natural relation we have in the Bible as created by God is between a man and a woman. But God’s word identifies homosexual relations as “unnatural ones.” We read Romans talk about the unnaturalness of same sex marriage that " women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another (Romans 1:26-27). When women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones, what does that mean? It means the women aren't attracted to men but to women which is same sex relation. And if men abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another men, that too is same sex relation. However, it's unnatural according the Bible, and what is unnatural cannot possibly be a good idea for natural people.


 

 Number Two, It cannot be a good idea yet it robs one of the Royal right to divine inheritance.

 

 ASP: I didn't get that, sir! What did you mean by the "Royal right to divine inheritance"?

 

   P.C. AKUBUEZE: What I mean is that God lists homosexuals among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9), because their Royal rights have been robbed.



ASP: How do you mean?


 P.C. AKUBUEZE: You see, it's a biblical fact that every person, as created by God, has a right to know God.  Although man sinned and has fallen short of God's glory (Romans 3v23), the death of Jesus Christ, who died for the whole world (John 3:16), has made it possible for all to come to God. Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life itself (John 14:6). No one goes to God except through Jesus Christ, the Bible adds. But an interesting picture comes to light when we read what John 1:12 says. It says to all who received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, that the right to become children of God is given to them because they believed.


There's a right to become children of God which is a Royal right because God is a King and has a kingdom. But this right is never voted for rather, it's given unto us by God whenever we believe in the Name of Jesus. And everyone has equal opportunity to believe in Jesus' Name for He died for all (John 3:16). But not everyone truly gets to know Jesus, and one of the reason is because of the same sex idea issue. It robs people from the right to entering their divine inheritance; to entering God's kingdom.


The Bible clearly tells us what we should know. It says  "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? ... Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders  ...will inherit the kingdom of God."

 

 In this context, the Bible wants us to know that although God had made it possible to have the Royal right into His kingdom, into heaven's inheritance, homosexual practices, as cited among other sins, might still rob us from that Royal right. But this is not by the will of God rather by our own sinful actions. Something like same sex relations can't be a good idea at the same time robs you from your Royal right to divine inheritance.

 


 ASP: Are you saying that this Royal right is given to people to enable them to believe on Jesus?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: No no no, that's not correct. It's not what I am saying. The Royal right is given to those who have believed in the Name of Jesus and not before but after (John 1v12). The confession comes before the rights are accorded. Thus, enabling them to enter the kingdom of God. This is impossible prior accepting Jesus. And it's the greatest spiritual miracle you could ever think of happening in a split of a second. But, faith in Jesus is the only way to it.


 ASP: Go ahead with the third point.


P.C. AKUBUEZE: Yes, number three is that, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls the adherents abusers of themselves.


In the king James version of the Bible it reads, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?... neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." The last phrase there says " Abusers of themselves with mankind " which talks about the homosexuals generally.


While the NIV (New International Version) uses the phrase "Homosexual offenders," in that same place, the KJV (King James Version) uses "Abusers of themselves with mankind" in expressing the same thought.  This seems to  convey the sense that the homosexuals are offending mankind, are offending what God has created and it also seems that they are offending themselves by so doing. An abuse doesn't look to me like a good idea.


Number Four, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it a deception.  You see, God says those who practice same sex relation are being deceived. First Corinthians chapter six and the ninth verse says "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the ... male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders."  Did you see that? What did it say again? Do not be deceived.


Now, I think it would be right to define what a deception is and fit it in this context. A deception could be a statement that is not literally false, as the Phrase"Same sex Marriage" is, but that cleverly avoids an unpleasant truth. Saying that same sex marriage is good literally makes some sense externally but there are lots of truth concealed. You can't call a woman daddy or a man mommy. And no two females chromosomes or two males chromosomes could give birth to a child. That's a deception.


A deception could also be the act of giving a false appearance to something. Same sex marriage has a false appearance according to the Bible. A gender pretending to be the other gender? That's a deception.


A deception could also be defined as a willful perversion of real facts. The truth involved in same sex marriage seems to be obscured and perverted by the will of people who know the truth about marriage as a union between males and females. Sometimes they call it an option for the modern time. This is a deception, for it contradicts the truth of the Bible.


A deception could also be something communicated, written or spoken, which is intended to misrepresent the true nature of an activity. The same sex marriage concept is being portrayed as an option, good and equal to heterosexual marriage, thus, misrepresenting the true nature of activities under heterosexual matrimony.  This too is a deception.


A deception could also be a written document that persuades someone to accept something untrue or undesirable. We see this in the legal sense. People are being led to think that this homosexual practice is okay and alright. Politicians and law makers are making it possible for people to buy the notion of same sex marriage as being good, and as an option to marriage because of the rule of law in its favor. That too is a deception as the Bible puts it. It goes against the known truth.


You see, God used the word deception, in the greater sense, to warn those in the church that accepting same sex marriage while in the church would certainly not lead us into the kingdom of God for which we long to see. We come into the church because we love God and want to be near God. However, it's good to note that while still holding unto our ardent passion for God, while still going to church, we can miss God entirely if we accept that same sex concept. God calls that a deception. And to that Proverbs 14:12 says "There's a way that seems right to a man but in the end, it leads to death." Of course, death wasn't obvious before. It seemed right but it wasn't right. It was a deception. And no deception is considered a good idea.


Number Five, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it a "Great sin." Well, you know, I am not here to justify any degree of sin. Sin is sin, there's no big sin nor small sin as we know it. Sin, whether big or small leads to death (Romans 6v23). So when sin is called a great sin by the almighty God, there must be something particularly disgusting to God in regards to that kind of sin. This takes me back to Leviticus 20:13 where God wanted the homosexual sentenced by death. However, Jesus has changed the sentence to that of forgiveness and of pardon for we are under the grace of God. But such still tells us the gravity of the sinful act in question before the eyes of God.


ASP: You said there's no big or small sin, sin is sin. Is it written in the Bible literally what you called "Great sin"?


P.C. AKUBUEZE:  Yeah, it is. In fact, Genesis 13v13 reads " Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD."  That's what God’s word describes the act of the men of Sodom: as “Sinning greatly.” If that were a connotation of a good idea, it calls for a rethink.



Number six, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it perversion.  You know what perversion is. Don't you? Any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification or satisfaction that are generally regarded as being abnormal. Now, are you aware of the fact that homosexuality is perversion before God? Jude records that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and sexual perversion (Jude 1:7). And Romans 1v27 adds that " the men ... were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." You can see it's perversion when men have sex with other men as well as when women have sex with other women. Thus, the same sex marriage, as a concept, isn't a good one.



Number seven, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it wickedness.

In the Bible God lists homosexuals amongst the wicked. He says "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? ... Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders" (1 Corinthians 6:9). Did you see that? That's the Bible truth, not from my own head.


What are “Homosexual offenders”? And with what are they classified? With “The wicked.” If you would look up the word "Wicked" in the dictionary, you would come up with lots of meanings and connotations such as evil or morally bad in principle or practice, sinful, iniquitous, extremely troublesome and dreadful, dangerous, ill-natured to name but a few. Are you still with me?


Putting some of those words into this same sex marriage context, you would come to say that same sex marriage, being wicked, is a practice morally bad in principle. A practice that's evil, iniquitous, troublesome etc. That idea is ill-natured. Should you call such an idea a good one? Should what is wicked suddenly become good?


Number eight, It cannot be a good idea yet contradicts God's original idea. Jesus really settled the marriage issue once for all when He declared what God had made in the beginning. He said that God made them “Male and Female" and for that reason they are to become one flesh. The male leaving his father's home and be united to his wife (Matthew 19:4-5).  This is God's original idea for marriage which is good for man. But for a man to be united with another man contradicts that original idea. And for a woman to be united to another woman contradicts that original idea as well. Anything that contradicts the original idea or concept of marriage is far from being good. The original idea---male and female union---- is a good one.


Number nine,  It cannot be a good idea yet it brings destruction upon the doers.

  Historically speaking, have you realized that homosexuality has incurred God’s destructive wrath upon entire cities called Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:4-5, 11-13, 24-25)? Where the men in the city both young and old wanted to have sex with men of God? Men having sex indiscriminately with other men has been a common practice of the Sodomites to the point that the Sodomites couldn't distinguish between ordinary men and God's angels in human form. To them, everyone was an object of sex.


The Bible records that "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.' " With whom did they want to have sex? With the men Lot was hosting. Men to men sex is what we are talking about, beloved. Homosexuality not heterosexuality. Lot even proposed his virgin daughters to no avail. The men wanted but males not females. But that very idea incurred an historic and fatal blow to every living thing that belonged to those cities. The fatality was a result of what the called normal and good. Considering this biblical picture, I would conclude that same sex marriage isn't a good idea.

 

Number ten, It cannot be a good idea yet it can't serve its main practical purpose.

Of what good is it to marriage if its major objective could never be realizable independent of others? No same sex marriage could ever produce a child independent of others. Whether the couples are rich and beautiful, it just cannot work for it takes the chromosomes from two opposite sexes for this to be true. Thus, it has to involve at least a third party, whether known or not, accepted or not. The practical goal of population growth and sustenance is impractical with such same sex unions.

 

Number eleven, It cannot be a good idea yet God calls it an indecent act. You remember what the book said again, do you? That " the men ... were inflamed with lust for one another." And as such, "... committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." That's Romans 1:27 doing the talking. What is indecent is offending against generally accepted standards of propriety or good taste. It's improper, considered lewd and licentious. You can't accept such as a good idea. Could you?


Number twelve, it cannot be a good idea yet God calls it a detestable act.

It's right to emphasize on Leviticus 20:13 in which we see God taking a very tougher stands against same sex relation saying , " If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." This is not only for the men but the women as well. It talks about same sex relationship. Without even going deeper into marriage, just the relation or the sexual contact of like sexes incurs a death penalty before God. Why? Because they have done what God called "A Detestable Act."


I must say, not to scare anyone, that the nature of the sin hasn't changed but the nature of the punishment has changed over time. It was a death sentence at that time when the people were under the Law. But now, it's no more a death sentence physically, rather, it's that of forgiveness and pardon because we are under the Grace of God seen through Jesus Christ. Jesus has become the death which all the victims of same sex relation would ever have to die. Only if they acknowledge this truth is it applicable to their situation, though. Without believing it, it would make no sense to any victim.


However, the fact that we are under the Grace of God doesn't change the nature of the sin as seen by God. Same sex relation is still detestable to God now as it was detestable to God yesterday. And what is detestable can't possible become a good idea.


Number thirteen. While same sex marriage isn't a good idea, it's never a hopeless one.


ASP: It isn't a good idea but a hopeful one? Doesn't that contradict what you have been saying all along?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: No, it doesn't.


ASP:  How do mean? why did you say that?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: I said so because Jesus is alive and still saves people from sin, from bondage or captivity to sin, from mistakes and bad habits. He still delivers from whatever kind of lifestyle people don't desire anymore which has been troublesome to their lives. There's still hope out of the same sex-related situation.


ASP: I like to hear that. Please, tell us about the hope there's for victims of homosexuality or same sex marriage. What would somebody who wants freedom or a change do?


P.C. AKUBUEZE: There's still hope for rescue for victims of same sex relations. Whatever the trouble, pain, trial, mistake might have been, there's always a way out of it through Jesus Christ. Jesus invites all those who suffer hurts and abuse and with various troubles to come to Him for rest; for deliverance; for peace. Anyone who feels that the burden is too much, that the weight is too heavy to carry, still has hope to receive spiritual rest from Jesus (Matthew 11v28). Anyone who feels that he or she is at the end of the road just needs to embrace Jesus. His hands are open. All you need to do is to believe in the Name of Jesus.


 He gives rest to people's soul. He comforts the wounded and those hurt. He sets people free from bondage. He is the peace the world needs and shall give you peace, if you call unto Him. He is the life that has come that you may have life and have it in abundance. He is the new life that you need right now. Jesus is the only way open for you now. Don't wait, don't miss it, make use of it now. He can wipe your tears away and give you a new beginning now. Don't wait any longer. Cry no more, weep no more. Take no more pain from the devil. Say bye bye to your past life and accept Jesus to be your Lord, Savior, Comforter and Friend now!  If you want an instant change in your life now

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