Is Same-Sex Marriage A God Idea?
Notice to the Reader: This is a transcript of an interview with Rev. Dr. P.C. Akubueze. We are aware that the topic of same sex marriage is a controversial one that deeply affects the personal lives of many. We, as Christians, strongly reiterate the teaching of the Bible to "Love your neighbor as yourself " (Matthew 22:39; John 13:34). And that all people, irrespective of their religions, sexual orientations, skin colors and genders, must be treated with respect and dignity, with love and compassion. The publication of any interview concerning this subject is solely intended to enhance and to clarify the position of the Bible as concerns relational, family and social foundations of society. It's never intended to incite hatred of any kind toward homosexuals.
The Big Question Is Whether or Not Same Sex Marriage Is A God Idea. Let's See How Far The Man Of God Takes Us On This Controversial Topic.
SP: Thank you Pastor for accepting to talk us on this subject. We understand there are a lot of controversies surrounding this subject. We are just delighted to having you with us.
P.C. AKUBUEZE. Thank you for having me.
SP: Our subject for today really centers on Same Sex Marriage. And with many questions in the minds of most Christians, we would like to give you the honor to tell our readers and viewers what this concept is all about. What does Same Sex Marriage mean?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Good question. Well, Just like the noun phrase goes "Same Sex Marriage" it's the marriage contracted between members of the same sex or gender. You know, there exist two main sexes or genders as created by God, the Bible says, "Male and Female, He created them" (Genesis 1v27). When the male gender marries a male or marries from a male gender, it's called same sex marriage. The same is true with the other sex, when the female gender marries a female or from a female gender, it's also called same sex marriage. It thus covers the unions of Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders and intersexuals.
SP: You mentioned the unions of Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders and intersexuals. Can you define those terminologies?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Yes, of course. "Lesbian" pertains to a female homosexuality. It could have had some connections with a Greek island of "Lesbos" or "Lesbios" in northeastern Aegean Sea, which was the home of Sappho, the great lyric poet. Anyway, that word alludes to the poet Sappho of Lesbos, whose verse deals largely with her emotional relationships with other women. It has come in our day to mean a woman whose sexual orientation is to women. Thus, Lesbians are members of the female gender who desire and engage in intimate relation with other members of the female gender.
SP: Being a lesbian, is it a God idea?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: No. It isn't God's idea nor a God idea. God created male and a female as a foundation for intimate relationship, the Bible tells us so (Genesis 1v27; 2v20-24). Therefore, it couldn't be God's idea.
SP: And the word "Gay" stands for what?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: The word "Gay" has different meanings or connotations. We use it daily in showing cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry etc. It's also characterized by promiscuity, licentious, given to social pleasures.
However, it's also used as a descriptive term for homosexuals generally, whether male or female. A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex is said to be a gay in some sense. But in today's society, a gay refers especially to the male homosexuals. A man whose sexual orientation is to men is called a gay. And it's in this light that I employ the term. Thus, a gay is a member of the male gender who desires and engages in an intimate relation with members of the male gender.
SP: Is the gay idea from God also?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: I don't think so. It was God's idea to have a female and a male, and so He created them male and a female, not a male and a male and His idea has not changed over time.
SP: What did you refer to as "Bisexual"?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Well, "Bisexual" has two main connotations. The first is possessing the characters of both sexes. In other words, an hermaphrodite, having both male and female reproductive organs.
The second is relating sexually to two sexes without limitation or discrimination. Or one sex having a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of both sexes. A male would desire a female as much as a male. And a female would desire a female as much as a male. Some call it ambisexuals. Whatever name they call it, it involves being sexually attracted to either sex indiscriminately. A woman may want a man at one moment in time and may desire a woman at another moment. Or She may be married to a man but has a female partner some where. Also, a male may be married at home with a wife but has a male partner outside. Even in some occasions, a woman might want a female and a male at the same moment, equally feeling alright in so doing. It's all bisexual acts.
SP: We are convinced that's not from God, man of God!
P.C. AKUBUEZE: You are right! it isn't at all.
SP: You mentioned transgenders too, what is that?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Transgender is crossing one gender to another. A transgender is a person appearing or attempting to be a member of the opposite sex. A transgender wishes to be considered as a member of the opposite sex either by their external dressings (a male dressing like a female and vice versa). Or, having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex. Such a person could be seen as a transsexual or a transvestite. What is important to note is that their gender identity differs from the one at birth.
SP: Was that God's idea to have transgender in existence?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: No it wasn't. I mean, transgender is wholly earthly, personal and a fleshy thing. God's idea was for a male and a female. It wasn't for a male to become female nor a female to become male. This is not divine. It's of the earth point of view and as such, fleshy.
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Yeah, you heard me right! It's fleshy, earthly and personal.
SP: What did you mean by being Fleshy? You mean done in the flesh?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Hmm! Should I say that it's a mind problem? It's one hundred per cent fleshy because it centers around the desire of individuals wanting to become something other than what they were created to be. They desire what is not a requisite to their daily existence at all, rather, their desire is to satisfy their personal instincts. A male desiring to be noticed as a female? It's a personal and a fleshy thing, you know that. Don't you?
SP: How could you define "Intersexuals"?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: "Intersexuals" could be something existing or occurring between two sexes. But I used the word as a person having both male and female anatomical characteristics, including reproductive organs and secondary sexual characteristics, in varying degrees, of course. This could be as a result of an abnormality of the sex chromosomes or a hormonal imbalance during embryo-genesis. In this case, a male may not fully be a male at birth and a female may not fully be a female at birth as we know it.
SP: Is it God's idea to have intersexuals since this occurs at birth?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: No, to be simple. It's never God's idea for intersexual.
SP: Since this seems to be natural, coming by birth, to whom should we attribute it ? Certainly to God the creator?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: And I disagree with you totally. You won't attribute any sickness that comes from birth or that's natural to us as coming from God. That's not true. Anyway, it depends also on how you define the word "Natural." But certainly, God is not responsible for all that happens by birth nor even for all that is natural to humans.
When defining that word "Intersexual," I made mention of the abnormality of the sex chromosomes and of a hormonal imbalance during embryo-genesis. These might be the factors responsible which are not God's fault at all.
SP: You said before that God created male and female, is it a God idea to have Same Sex Couples since they were all created by God?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: I didn't say it's a God idea. But I said, God created Male and Female as the only two genders or sexes we have in the world today. Read the book of Genesis chapter one and the twenty seventh verse. You have your Bible with you, don't you? Open it, you would see the record therein. And the fact that both were created by God, does not in any way imply that Same Sex Marriage was the idea of God. No, it's not a God idea.
SP: Pastor, some people think that this whole concept of Same Sex Marriage is God-invented or God- created. How can you tell our listeners the real idea of God concerning same sex marriage ?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Well, for sure, I know it wasn't God's idea. It never entered God's mind nor did He suggest it. Let me explain with some consistency here why it wasn't God's idea.
SP: Go ahead please!
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Firstly, what God created in the beginning tells us of His idea of marriage.
Already we have seen above that God did create a male and a female and not a male and a male or a female and a female. So the same sex idea as was never in God's mind wasn't a God idea.
Secondly, His original dissatisfaction of the male as a single being in existence tells us of His idea of marriage. When God created the male, the bible tells us that no suitable helper was found for the male. Then He carried on to make for the male a female (Genesis 2v20-21). Notice that what was suitable for the male was a female not a male creature. Now if same sex marriage was a God idea, He wouldn't have worried for what was "Suitable." The word "Suitable" denotes what is appropriate and fitting. Thus, a female was fitting for a male, a female was appropriate for a male in marriage and never same sex marriage. If same sex marriage was on His mind, a male for the existed male could have been a good picture for God to create. He created, rather, the female for the male.
Thirdly, The source of creation of the female tells us something about His idea of marriage.
The male, you see, preexisted the female creation, alright! He lived before the female came into existence. But the male was created from the dust of the ground and with the breath of God in him which wasn't the case with the female (Genesis 2v7). For the female, the bible records that God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep and while the male was sleeping, He took one of his ribs and closed up the place with flesh. From the rib He made a woman or a female (Genesis 2v21-23). Here we see that the source of the female was a male partner and not another female creature. So the two, as opposite sexes, was God's idea of marriage. For a female and a male and not for same sex or same gender marriage.
Fourthly, God's mind concerning child making tells us His idea about marriage.
You see, God gave the created male and female a mega child-making vision upon the earth; to multiply and fill the earth (Genesis 1v26; 1v28). We all know that the multiplication and filling the earth spoken there imply bringing forth offspring, begetting themselves, raising children. And we also know that for a child to be given birth to, it has to involve chromosomes from the male and the female partners. It is never a male male or female-female thing.
The creator said to the male and the female to be fruitful. The creator said to the male and the female to increase in numbers. The creator said to the male and the female to fill the earth. This wasn't a task for a male and a male or a female and a female. And it was possible for them to execute God's law of increase because that was the idea of God.
Fifthly, the first marriage God blessed on earth tells us of His idea about marriage.
Genesis recorded the first ever union that received the blessing of God (1v28) as involving more than just one gender. It says that God blessed "THEM". Now that word "Them" is in plural. So who were the "THEM" that God blessed? Who were those that God was speaking to here? He was certainly talking to the kinds of gender that He created and that existed at that moment in time. It was to both the male and the female genders that God created. There were the only two genders that existed at the time of this blessing. So again, we see that God's idea of marriage wasn't a male-male thing or a female-female thing, but a male and female thing.
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Can I go on?
SP: The time is all yours sir. Go ahead Pastor!
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Sixthly, what God confirmed concerning all creation, tells us about His idea of Marriage. Having created the male and female, and having commissioned them to be fruitful and increase in number, the bible says that the Lord God saw all that He had made and said " it was very good" (Genesis 1v31). Very good indeed. Notice that this statement includes the male and the female as created by God.
People could make mistakes but not God. And even if you could imagine that God did make one, the time was good enough for Him to have corrected His mistake. In this anemic light, God still reaffirmed that it wasn't a mistake, He confirmed that all was okay. He confirmed that His idea for the male and female was a perfect and a good one when He saw all He has made and said "It was very good". If the existence of the male and female was good, the same sex marriage idea would not have come from God.
Seventhly, the divine directives of marital bonding and union bring out clearly His idea of marriage.
Having created the woman for the man, the bibles says that the man shall leave his father and mother and shall be united to his wife and both shall become one (Genesis 2v24). For the bonding to take place, there has to be a man and a wife or a male and a female involved. For the union to take place, there has to be a man and a wife or a male and a female. There wasn't a place for the female and a female or the male and a male. Same sex marriage isn't the idea of God.
Eighthly, what God prophetically said about the family makes His idea of marriage more clearer.
When God was speaking those directives in 2v24, there was not a single family on earth other than the male and the just created female before God. However, God said that man shall leave his father's and mother's house to be united to his wife. Now we all know that a father is a male but more than a male, for he is married and has children. He is not just a male but a husband and a father. So goes the woman too. She is a female and a wife and a mother as well. This is the main pillar of a family:mama, papa, offspring. But when this was spoken, there wasn't a single family in existence at that time other than the male and the female.
So God was prophetically speaking His idea for the family to the first person that He had created. He said that a family shall involve a male as a father and a female as a mother. Both of whom shall be united as one. There wasn't any picture of same sex marriage family foundation here. Nothing implies Same Sex Marriage here. A male shall not be the father and another male the mother. Or a female being a mother and another female a father. To make a family, it's a female and a male thing. That's the idea of God. So the Same Sex Marriage is not a God idea.
Ninthly, it cannot be a God idea if God calls it a perversion.
SP: Does the Bible literally say, I mean explicitly calls it a perversion?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Of course yes, let me read it to you loudly and I am doing so from the book of Romans chapter one and the twenty sixth verse through the twenty seventh verse. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
And received the due penalty for their what? For their perversion. I didn't say that, the Bible did. It calls it a perversion. Yes, when men commit indecent acts with other men (Romans 1v27), that's a perversion. When women exchange natural relations for unnatural ones (Romans 1v26), that's a perversion. In that context, homosexuals, lesbianism etc. are all acts of perversion. It cannot be God's idea if He calls such acts a perversion.
Tenthly and a note I would like to end on, it cannot be a God idea if God rejects those who practice such from inheriting His kingdom (1 Corinthians 6v9). This again the Bible literally reads "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders." Who are homosexual offenders? Who are male prostitutes ? Are these not under the same sex idea stuff? Do they inherit the kingdom of God? The Bible says NO.
SP: What does that verse imply? Are there any implications to it?
P.C. AKUBUEZE: There isn't a need for implication since it tells us something we understand clearly as we read. Call it for what it is, let's not try to distort the truth or to make it hard for people to understand the Holy writ. It says homosexuals...what implication would you prefer? Okay, I would give you two implications here (1) it implies that those homosexuals, male prostitutes etc. who don't repent and accept Jesus as Lord and savior of their lives shall not enter the kingdom of God and (2) those Christians already in the kingdom who by any means do such acts without repentance might lose their citizenship of that Kingdom. Period. Can it be a God idea at the same time God rejects the doers of His idea? I leave that up to you.
SP: Thank you so much for talking to us Dr. Akubueze,. What an inspiration it's been.
P.C. AKUBUEZE: Thanks for the opportunity.
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